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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2010, 02:08:03 AM »
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No GoYS?
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2010, 02:12:22 AM »
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Even though Backward Shadow has sentimental value to you, I would switch it with Purifying the Unclean. That way you can convert your other EC to gray and have majority of your GE's being teal plus your heal card. If you lose Paul and have to convert someone else you want it to be teal probably and you'll want a teal healing card.
I'd most likely convert to purple most of the time.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2010, 03:32:43 AM »
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2010, 04:22:44 AM »
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Even if you just have Zimri, you can still block and use GiC and keep his ability for later.
Zimri says to discard him after battle, so I don't think that's the best idea. ;)
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2010, 06:52:48 AM »
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What happens if Caves gets destroyed? Any capture will just defeat you.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2010, 12:44:30 PM »
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What happens if Caves gets destroyed? Any capture will just defeat you.
I was thinking about that, but I wasn't sure if I was being paranoid or not.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2010, 01:42:31 PM »
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Just throw ZT or TGT in there and they'll immediately be distracted by that, and kill it instead of Caves.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2010, 02:27:26 PM »
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Just throw ZT or TGT in there and they'll immediately be distracted by that, and kill it instead of Caves.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2010, 05:11:35 PM »
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I'm not sure if IaR is enough because it doesn't protect from capture, leaving you open to capture/rescue and capture/shuffle, either of which will end your offense. Covenant with Palestine may work better.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2010, 05:20:15 PM »
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If you use CwP, then you might as well use Blue Tassels, which stops CBN captures.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2010, 05:24:43 PM »
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I'm not sure if IaR is enough because it doesn't protect from capture, leaving you open to capture/rescue and capture/shuffle, either of which will end your offense. Covenant with Palestine may work better.
Hm, good points. Though capture/rescue only can happen vs sog nj and most people have used those by the time they deck out.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2010, 06:10:34 PM »
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i wouldnt risk it with a one-trick-pony offense. blue tassels is the way to go.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2010, 06:43:30 PM »
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I suggest removing Falling Away.  It seems like most games your opponents would get GoYS faster than you get FA (since their deck is probably smaller and faster).  It also seems like you won't often be giving away a LS to take back anyway.  It also seems that often you will have LotS up, and be unable to play FA for that reason too.

All of these reasons seem to say that another card would get used more often.

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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2010, 07:31:31 PM »
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Unless you can find a card that you feel you really need to replace Falling Away, I would disagree with the other Prof on this one. In my experience with Heroless, the goal is to wear down their offense until they have nothing left to attack you with, then come in for the kill. Even against a solid defense, people will be able to rescue one or a few LS's if they can catch you unprepared (which sleeker decks often can). In order to beat a defense like this, an offense will usually need at least 5-6 effective battle winners (since you have banding and ways to bring in more defenders after the first one is discarded). If you're able to neutralize one of their successful RA's with FA, or at least have the possibility of doing so, then I'd say it's more worth it than most any other card.

As to the other Prof's points:
1) Yes, maybe a fair amount of times the opponent will get GoYS first, but I'd say the potential reward is worth the risk.
2) An early CBN Zeal/AoCP can easily get an LS from this deck, especially if the initial draw is mostly forts/arts/GE
3) You don't need LotS up until you are ready to Grail, and at that point, you will either have used FA, or no longer need it.
4) I can't think of any other card that has the potential to be as helpful for this deck as Falling Away.
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Re: Grapes? DD? Heroless LAUGHS at such triffles.
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2010, 07:41:54 PM »
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I'd siding with prof on this one....

oh, the Alstad one.
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