Author Topic: Shuffle and Set-Aside (Read 16978 times)

Bryon · « **Reply #125 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:47:24 PM »

Wait... we were going to keep the rule that all captured characters always lose their weapons, right?

It just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #126 on:** August 31, 2008, 03:58:37 PM »

I would say the rule for captured Characters is explained the same way it was explained that Arioch could not target a captured human for discard. They are no longer characters, but characters being treated as Lost Souls, and Lost Souls cannot hold weapons.

So, Yeah. I say that rule is just as it has been Bryon.

The Schaef · « **Reply #127 on:** August 31, 2008, 06:04:34 PM »

Lambo is right. Only characters can hold weapons, so the conversion to a Lost Soul would cause them to lose their weapon in that case.

This was more about removal, shuffling and returning to hand.

Bryon · « **Reply #128 on:** August 31, 2008, 09:50:58 PM »

very good. Thanks.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #129 on:** August 31, 2008, 11:55:27 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on August 31, 2008, 12:25:45 AM

After seeking feedback from TPTB, here is my proposal for the rule regarding cards which are placed or held or what have you.

If a support card (by which I mean a Fortress, Site or Artifact) is shuffled or discarded or what have you, the contents held by those cards follow them to their destination. The continuing exception being that Lost Souls are returned to territory instead of being discarded or removed.

Cards that are placed on characters follow those characters as long as they remain in the Field of Play or set-aside area, but are discarded at any time that the character leaves those areas (discard, shuffle, return to hand). This includes weapons and cards placed by a special ability.

What are your thoughts on this?

So a hero in Raiders camp retains it's weapon now?

TimMierz · « **Reply #130 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:04:58 AM »

Did you read the posts directly above yours?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #131 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:18:19 AM »

Quote from: TimMierz on September 01, 2008, 12:04:58 AM

Did you read the posts directly above yours?

Yes I did characters in Raiders camp are not treated as lost souls. Capturing and treating as a lost soul is totally different than capturing and putting it in Raiders camp. If that were to be incoporated 'Characters can hold weapons' it makes sense for gameplay and the rules that a character put in Raiders camp retains his/her weapon. Remeber it is still a character.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #132 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:02:46 AM »

I was wondering this today... can you SoG/NJ/Bury a hero in RC?

The Schaef · « **Reply #133 on:** September 01, 2008, 03:00:23 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 01, 2008, 12:18:19 AM

If that were to be incoporated 'Characters can hold weapons' it makes sense for gameplay and the rules that a character put in Raiders camp retains his/her weapon. Remeber it is still a character.

Really? So I can discard a Hero in Raider's Camp with Christian Martyr? Are you sure?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #134 on:** September 01, 2008, 03:18:27 AM »

Yeah... what exactly ARE people in RC considered? Since when you make a successful rescue, they return to your territory and are not redeemed...

Are they considered lost souls still? If so would this situation work?

I capture two heros with a card like Syrian Victory, they go to my Raiders Camp.
My opponent RA's again. One of the two heroes I captured was Gabriel, who drives me nuts. I play Son of God on Gabe so he cant come back, NJ on a different soul thats not important. I then proceed to give them the second hero thats in RC back and the RA is over.

*Edit* also, Raiders camp says "When opponent makes a sucessful rescue attempt OR BATTLE CHALLENGE... Is raiders camp essensially a site that no heroes can access?

The Schaef · « **Reply #135 on:** September 01, 2008, 03:25:11 AM »

All characters that are captured are considered "Captured Characters". Those that are also in the Land of Bondage are also considered "Lost Souls". None of them count as regular characters any longer.

Raider's Camp is not a Site at all. It is a Fort that holds captured Heroes, which releases them upon a successful battle challenge, and upon a successful rescue, "insteads" the rescue. It releases the Heroes instead of relinquishing the Lost Soul.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #136 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:21:33 AM »

Ahh, so you can neither SoG or CM someone in RC?

The Schaef · « **Reply #137 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:22:08 AM »

No. Never could.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #138 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:32:46 AM »

Ahh, that makes sense.

*Is Raiders Camp noob*

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #139 on:** September 01, 2008, 02:36:43 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 01, 2008, 04:32:46 AM

Ahh, that makes sense.

*Is ~~Raiders Camp~~ noob*

TheHobbit · « **Reply #140 on:** September 04, 2008, 02:04:41 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 01, 2008, 04:21:33 AM

Ahh, so you can neither SoG or CM someone in RC?

Quote from: The Schaef on September 01, 2008, 04:22:08 AM

No. Never could.

I understand that but I still think a character in raideres camp should retain his weapon. You cant Christian Martyr a hero because you cant target it as a hero, you cant place a weapon on a hero because you cant target it as a hero. It should keep it's weapon because it was already played and it makes sense especially with the new rule.

The Schaef · « **Reply #141 on:** September 04, 2008, 03:05:41 AM »

First of all, it's not a new rule yet, I've just been throwing it out there.

Second of all, if weapons stay on characters, how do you justify a weapon being on a non-character?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #142 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:11:15 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on September 04, 2008, 03:05:41 AM

Second of all, if weapons stay on characters, how do you justify a weapon being on a non-character?

It is a character. But that is besides the point, the weapon should stay because of the new suggestion and because it was already played (the character does have a small factor in it.)

Quote from: The Schaef on September 04, 2008, 03:05:41 AM

First of all, it's not a new rule yet, I've just been throwing it out there.

Then I suggest you add an exception for raiders camp.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #143 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:12:54 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 05, 2008, 01:11:15 AM

It is a character.

Captured Character =/= Character. You cant band to a captured character can you? You cant CM a captured character can you? Then why should a placed enhancement remain on them?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #144 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:21:10 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 05, 2008, 01:12:54 AM

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 05, 2008, 01:11:15 AM
It is a character.

Captured Character =/= Character. You cant band to a captured character can you? You cant CM a captured character can you? Then why should a placed enhancement remain on them?

Thats like saying: The elephant is fat. why should I put my cat on a diet? Besides what cards say may band to a male cahracter? (I thing I know what you are trying to say though) I cant band to a hero in raiders camp because it cannot be targeted as a hero. I played the weapon before when it was a hero, I see no reason why the weapon should be discarded, Shaefs suggestion supports this.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #145 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:28:31 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 05, 2008, 01:21:10 AM

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on September 05, 2008, 01:12:54 AM
Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 05, 2008, 01:11:15 AM
It is a character.

Captured Character =/= Character. You cant band to a captured character can you? You cant CM a captured character can you? Then why should a placed enhancement remain on them?
Thats like saying: The elephant is fat. why should I put my cat on a diet? Besides what cards say may band to a male cahracter? (I thing I know what you are trying to say though) I cant band to a hero in raiders camp because it cannot be targeted as a hero. I played the weapon before when it was a hero, I see no reason why the weapon should be discarded, Shaefs suggestion supports this.

what kinda captors would allow someone to carry a spear around?

SirNobody · « **Reply #146 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:36:53 AM »

Hey,

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 05, 2008, 01:28:31 AM

what kinda captors would allow someone to carry a spear around?

An over confident one.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #147 on:** September 05, 2008, 01:37:12 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 05, 2008, 01:28:31 AM

what kinda captors would allow someone to carry a spear around?

Ding! We can has a winner.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #148 on:** September 05, 2008, 02:07:26 AM »

Quote from: SirNobody on September 05, 2008, 01:36:53 AM

Hey,

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on September 05, 2008, 01:28:31 AM
what kinda captors would allow someone to carry a spear around?

An over confident one.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

The germans were overconfident I didn't see anyone in prison camps packing heat.

The Schaef · « **Reply #149 on:** September 05, 2008, 03:44:09 AM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 05, 2008, 01:11:15 AM

Quote from: The Schaef on September 04, 2008, 03:05:41 AM
Second of all, if weapons stay on characters, how do you justify a weapon being on a non-character?
It is a character.

Oh, really? So I can discard a Hero from Raider's Camp with Haman's Plot? I can band Maharai to a blue Hero in Raider's Camp?

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