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does placing destructive sin on a hero count as harming that hero or as a negative effect to that hero?
but i thought that negating a character's ability didn't count as harm, and that would fall under targeting a character of a different alignment
A place ability targets the cards that are to be placed. If a card is placed on another card, the underlying card is not targeted by the place ability.
While that seems accurate from the REG quote, that also seems absolutely ridiculous and counterintuitive.
prepositional phrases are unnecessary.
Quote from: Professoralstad on March 08, 2012, 09:45:58 PM prepositional phrases are unnecessary.That's so not true *English minor raves*. "Place this card" doesn't make sense in English grammar or in Redemption terminology, so the prepositional phrase is necessary to determine where, or on what, you're placing the card. Whether or not that means it targets the Hero, I don't know, but the prepositional phrase is absolutely necessary. Though, considering DS says "that hero" in the second part of its ability, I don't see how it could NOT target the Hero, otherwise there would be no "that hero".Either way, the point is moot for DS because as soon as it starts to negate the ability (which is immediately upon placing it) it's harming the hero.
And negates never target cards. They target abilities. Else, there could never, ever, ever be a counter to something that protected itself from opponents' cards (like Caesarea Phillipi). I don't think anyone wants that.
Protect X from Y means that X cannot be targeted by Y. So if a negate targeted the card with the ability, then for example, Thaddeus' enhancements would be CBN vs. a qualifying EC, CP would be indestructible, etc. It's a possibly confusing but definitely necessary distinction.
I agree it is kind of an odd concept, however, it helps to think of targets as cards that you do things to. You discard a Fortress, capture a Hero, rescue a Lost Soul, place a card, etc. When you place something ON a card, it's like setting the table. You are not actively doing anything to the table by setting a plate on it, you are only actively doing something to the plate.
did we ever come to a final verdict on this?
Actually, read the explanation of elders again.