Good Xbox 360 games?

[JSB23]

Wii- System for 8 year olds and their Grandmothers. Lack of Hardcore gamer games. Not to say it lacks good games....just not targeted towards me.

Red Steel 2
The Grinder
Skyward sword
The Conduit 1/2
Metroid Prime 3
Metroid other M
and most of the Stuff on Virtual console say Hi

[Minister Polarius]

I want to know what a "hardcore gamer" is. I'm as nerd as they come, and spend just as much time gaming as the next guy (maybe a bit less when I'm in an artistic bent). I play Halo, but I also play Mario Party, Civilization 2 (how's that for oldschool!), Warcraft 3, Metriod, and Super Smash Brothers. Am I not a hardcore gamer because I enjoy Wii games, antique computer games, and Pokemon just as much as srsbsns games?

[Alex_Olijar]

Definatley, Mass Effect needs to be played through in order to fully realize Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect also had a much better story. I just bought Bioshock, I will see how that goes!

Lemme know via PM how you liked it when you finished it.

Will do. I liked the prologue level. It has me ready to play the game more, for sure.

I want to know what a "hardcore gamer" is. I'm as nerd as they come, and spend just as much time gaming as the next guy (maybe a bit less when I'm in an artistic bent). I play Halo, but I also play Mario Party, Civilization 2 (how's that for oldschool!), Warcraft 3, Metriod, and Super Smash Brothers. Am I not a hardcore gamer because I enjoy Wii games, antique computer games, and Pokemon just as much as srsbsns games?

<3 this quote. I totally agree. I don't enjoy some of the WIi Games, but there's some great party and racing titles that are pretty much only viable on the Wii.

[Deist]

 I explicitly said that the wii did not lack good games, but rather games that target a more mature audience. Hardcore gamers use real controllers. When I play brawl I play with a gamecube control.

Yes games like Brawl and Mario Kart/Part are fun. I did not say the wii did not have fun games. Really good shooters on the Wii? Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Killzone 2...oh wait those aren't on the wii. Bioshock, oblivion, fallout, mass effect, demon's soul, FFXIII, god of war, dragon age...again not on the wii.

The Wii is marketed towards new gamers. Thats just the way it is. It is not a bad thing in general. But many gamers, myself included, find a great deal more depth in the games of other consoles.

[Alex_Olijar]

I explicitly said that the wii did not lack good games, but rather games that target a more mature audience. Hardcore gamers use real controllers. When I play brawl I play with a gamecube control.

Yes games like Brawl and Mario Kart/Part are fun. I did not say the wii did not have fun games. Really good shooters on the Wii? Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Killzone 2...oh wait those aren't on the wii. Bioshock, oblivion, fallout, mass effect, demon's soul, FFXIII, god of war, dragon age...again not on the wii.

The Wii is marketed towards new gamers. Thats just the way it is. It is not a bad thing in general. But many gamers, myself included, find a great deal more depth in the games of other consoles.

It's not marketed towards "new" gamers, it's marketed toward group gaming, rather than solo gaming. Because the most easily accessible group is the family, many of the marketing and games have been directed towards the family. Because of this, the large majority of the games on the Wii do not have the explicit content you find in the games you mentioned (which I believe are all M).

Call of Duty is actually on the Wii. Additionally, I would hardly call games like Mad World not targeting the mature gamer. Of course, your definition of hardcore game seems to be "likes whatever the latest multiplayer shooter is" and "refuse to attempt to enjoy a new control scheme."

[Master KChief]

cod on the wii is a joke.

'new control schemes' are novelties. yes, im looking at you, wiimote & nunchuck, kinect, and move.

[Alex_Olijar]

And Kinetic isn't a novelty?

In reality though, I do agree that it is a novelty, but that does not negate my expirience that most old skool gamers aren't willing to make the attempt to enjoy the new controls scheme.

[Master KChief]

i did say kinect.

there is also a difference between willing to make an attempt at the new controls and willing to make the attempt to enjoy the new controls. personally, if i wanted to exercise with my games, i would go outside and do the real thing.

[Alex_Olijar]

i did say kinect.

there is also a difference between willing to make an attempt at the new controls and willing to make the attempt to enjoy the new controls. personally, if i wanted to exercise with my games, i would go outside and do the real thing.

I mostly referring the nunchuck and Wiimote as it pertains to games such as Brawl. No real exercise, just a really weird control scheme in cmparison to typical controllers.

[Master KChief]

but would you even call that control scheme practical in comparison to alternate control schemes offered by the wii system? especially towards hardcore gamers?

[Deist]

...Dude the Wii is marketed towards people who have never played video games before. They said so themselves. I think it is commendable that they are adding additional people to the gaming universe but the wii on the whole is a casual system. It is designed for families and the controls were designed so that anyone can play.

[Alex_Olijar]

...Dude the Wii is marketed towards people who have never played video games before. They said so themselves. I think it is commendable that they are adding additional people to the gaming universe but the wii on the whole is a casual system. It is designed for families and the controls were designed so that anyone can play.

How does that relate the statement that the Wii lacks "mature audience" games? What does that even mean? Explicit content?

but would you even call that control scheme practical in comparison to alternate control schemes offered by the wii system? especially towards hardcore gamers?

Hardcore gamers, no, but is that the fault of the system or the gamer who refuses to learn the new scheme? I see it similarly as to when I tried to switch to bumper jumper on Halo after getting into MLG. Is Bumper Jumper more practical? For me, no, because I was used to standard controls and couldn't/wouldn't re-train myself to the Bumper Jumper set-up. I see the Wiimote the same way. We simply refuse to allow it to be practical.

[TheKarazyvicePresidentRR]

Momma metroid, here we go again.

[Alex_Olijar]

Momma metroid, here we go again.

I'm a lightning rod?

[Master KChief]

changing a control button setup is vastly different than changing the control scheme altogether. motion sensitive controls are far less accurate than its regular control counterparts. my roommate would always wonder why i would always beat him in mario kart when he used the wheel and i used the classic controller...its pretty obvious, really. motion controls are great for a temporary kick or thrill from the norm, but cant be taken seriously on any other level.