Author Topic: Type 1-2 Player Unofficial Banlist (Read 9755 times)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #125 on:** July 20, 2011, 02:54:21 PM »

I have yet to see CoF causing any problems. Yes, it's a good card that a lot of people use, but it doesn't break anything.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #126 on:** July 22, 2011, 05:24:33 AM »

Game Report:

I played an incredibly enjoyable, troll-tastic game against Russ. While it was the lulziest game ever, it was totally competitive. The extreme trolling didn't happen until the end when the game was pretty much decided. Oh yeah, and Saul got Taphnes'd then Converted then not used all game XD

Mayhem: Having Mayhem banned was, as always, the biggest boon to the fun factor. No stress wondering whether the game would be flipped by a single card at any moment.

NJ: Having NJ banned allowed for a much more strategic game, as always. Also allowed SoG to be used at-will with Shuffler to create on of the 9001 troll blocks this game.

FA: I loved having FA banned. It meant that the score was actually the score, not a number subject to change at any moment. It also stopped the game from being slow to the point of boring.

2-Line: Personally I hated it since Phars are less than zero percent as strong without it, but I think it's the right move.

This game revealed no other suspects.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #127 on:** July 22, 2011, 06:07:12 PM »

With NJ, Mayhem, and FA banned I assume balanced decks are the way to go now. Has that been your experience?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #128 on:** July 22, 2011, 06:47:44 PM »

I might be interested in playing a few games with the current banlist. Lately I've been getting less and less interested in the game, but it seems like a lot of fun could be restored with the big cheapo game-changers removed from the equation.

Westy · « **Reply #129 on:** July 23, 2011, 05:27:36 AM »

My current T1 deck would be 100x better in this type. I don't use NJ or Falling Away, and Mayhem is used as it was meant to be used...

SomeKittens · « **Reply #130 on:** July 24, 2011, 03:07:54 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 23, 2011, 05:27:36 AM

My current T1 deck would be 100x better in this type. I don't use NJ or Falling Away, and Mayhem is used as it was meant to be used...

As a spare Harvest Time?

TheHobbit · « **Reply #131 on:** July 24, 2011, 05:23:34 AM »

Probably as a mulligan.

Westy · « **Reply #132 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:42:41 PM »

Mulligan is correct. And cutting down my opponent's hand after they use their speed. And discarding my hand if RBD is up...

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #133 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:03:58 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 24, 2011, 09:42:41 PM

And discarding my hand if RBD is up...

Who uses RBD in Austin anymore?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #134 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:00:53 AM »

Played another game. The bans were still nice, but the game still suffered from dominant flurries. While the player that lost was able to come back from a massive disadvantage caused by early doms to get 4, the back-to-back AotL, CM, Grapes, DoN, etc. put a massive cramp on the strategy.

I nominate both AotL and CM for banning, but only as a pair. Banning just one would make the games too slow while banning the other would make games too quick again. Having no instant CBN battle-winner that doesn't require initiative will force even more careful deck planning, and further diversify the playing field.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #135 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:03:37 AM »

Let's ban Grapes. It's too versatile. It works in every deck strategy. It has very little to instead or protect from it.

Played a game. Doms trolled around way too much. Little strategy was involved other than the fact I was a noob. Soul lock remained strong, albeit accidently and without a Burial to help it (if a burial had been in play, it could have been permanent soul lock, IIRC).

I would second the pair banning also (I guess). I mostly just hate doms. DoN is needed to easily counter arts, but so many others are weaksauce for strategy.

TheHobbit · « **Reply #136 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:21:07 PM »

I would agree with Angel of the Lord going, but I think christian martyr needs to stay to help balance out the discrepancy between good and evil. Grapes should stay too, it a good dominant to have because it balances out the draw factor. It punishes people for getting out into a lead, can kill nasty unchecked ECs, and can get rid of nasty unchecked heroes.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #137 on:** July 25, 2011, 06:46:34 PM »

Quote from: TheHobbit13 on July 25, 2011, 06:21:07 PM

I would agree with Angel of the Lord going, but I think christian martyr needs to stay to help balance out the discrepancy between good and evil.

The discrepancy between good and evil is exactly why they need to be banned as a pair (if at all). Good needs to be stronger than evil, in order to prevent overly lengthy and tie games, yet not so strong that defense doesn't have a chance to block.

Smokey · « **Reply #138 on:** July 26, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »

Played multiple games against Arch Angel and one against Alex.

2 Liner being banned allowed me to use SoG defensively every game, winning me at least one of my games.
FA being banned is so good, I have room to add cards that I couldn't normally add since I no longer need to have GoYS / Lampstand.

I nominate Grapes of Wrath.
It's a more powerful Angel of the Lord and punishes players that are in the lead far too much.

Red · « **Reply #139 on:** July 26, 2011, 11:12:41 PM »

I'm to the point to where I think type ban needs to become type no dominants.

Master KChief · « **Reply #140 on:** July 27, 2011, 12:24:54 AM »

dominants in general are a flawed mechanic. unless every dominant had power levels in the area of doubt.

Westy · « **Reply #141 on:** July 27, 2011, 12:58:04 AM »

Dominants are generally too powerful, but not a flawed Mechanic. Destruction of Nehustan is probably the best example of what a good dominant would be. It's awesome that you can play it any time, but it isn't game breaking.

Smokey · « **Reply #142 on:** July 27, 2011, 01:00:22 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 27, 2011, 12:58:04 AM

Dominants are generally too powerful, but not a flawed Mechanic. Destruction of Nehustan is probably the best example of what a good dominant would be. It's awesome that you can play it any time, but it isn't game breaking.

It's funny, cause DoN is evil.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #143 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:10:18 AM »

Quote from: Red on July 26, 2011, 11:12:41 PM

I'm to the point to where I think type ban needs to become type no dominants.

Nah. Dominants like CM and AOTL are nice. I think banning Grapes would go a long way, because it can essentially be either one whenever you need it. Son of God is fine so that the game moves faster (though, frankly, it's still a long game). DoN is fine because otherwise artifacts are so broken. Harvest Time is fine to counter act dumb draws.

Also, search is so good in Type ban. Play Nazereth.

Master KChief · « **Reply #144 on:** July 27, 2011, 03:12:52 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 27, 2011, 12:58:04 AM

Dominants are generally too powerful, but not a flawed Mechanic. Destruction of Nehustan is probably the best example of what a good dominant would be. It's awesome that you can play it any time, but it isn't game breaking.

thats why i said you'd have to dominants in the area of doubt. any card that you can play at anytime with no penalty or drawback whatsoever is opening the door for abuse, so you'd have to dumb down the card substantially to balance it. im perfectly fine with dominants being support and simply support, but dominants either being auto-points or battle winners are a big no. its sad that the type 1 meta is still shaped by dominants after 10+ years.

Smokey · « **Reply #145 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:40:02 PM »

Just out of curiosity, do the people who post in this thread regularly and don't have membership actually play type ban?
Seems counter-productive to want your opinion heard but have no power to do anything with it.

Westy · « **Reply #146 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:27:36 PM »

I don't have RTS.

DoN is waay more powerful than Doubt. Doubt is useless.

soul seeker · « **Reply #147 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:33:05 PM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on July 27, 2011, 07:27:36 PM

I don't have RTS.

DoN is waay more powerful than Doubt. Doubt is useless.

ONLY when Lampstand is up!

Master KChief · « **Reply #148 on:** July 27, 2011, 08:05:57 PM »

don is perfectly fine as a support card though. its nowhere on the same level as cm, aotl, or even grapes.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #149 on:** July 28, 2011, 02:14:44 AM »

Quote from: Smokey on July 27, 2011, 06:40:02 PM

Just out of curiosity, do the people who post in this thread regularly and don't have membership actually play type ban?
Seems counter-productive to want your opinion heard but have no power to do anything with it.

Perhaps I'm just against the idea, and enjoy the discussion.

Doubt's not useless in Teams.

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Author Topic: Type 1-2 Player Unofficial Banlist (Read 9755 times)