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Basically I'm seeing decks that with the right draw of cards can have their 50 card deck drawn out in 5 or so turns. Basically its all about getting the dominants before your opponent does, and creating banding chains so large that nothing can stop them.
Throw in some cannot be negated battle winners on offense and defense (a small defense), and there you go.
I know the 16 cards at one time rule was meant to slow this down. Did it work?
More importantly, do I have to make a speed deck now (and I do have all the needed cards except a couple cheapies) just to compete?
If not, how do you stop it?
Artifacts - Any defensive artifact is fighting a losing battle, in my opinion. Unholy Writ, Household Idols, Asherah Pole, Confusion of Mind and Golden Calf, Darius' Decree are all vulnerable to DON or captured ark being played before the rescue attempt is made (Darius' Decree is the exception and is fun when it works).
Also, I don't know of a way to protect these "evil" artifacts from discard like you can with Glory of the Lord on temple artifacts.
Do I need to have all 6 of these (and others I have not thought of) in my deck?
There are some great anti-site enhancements, but in a FBTN battle how can you play them?
Evil Characters/Enhancements - Again, making the battle FBTN except banding makes Uzzah, KOT, etc, worthless. Naaman and others like him are helpful because of their Cannot be Negated stuff, but it makes them a huge dominant magnet too (which Torment will not save them from).
Dominants - Who do you target? I assume you Martyr COTH, but a well timed Brass Serpent or Chariot of Fire will have him back pretty soon.
So those of you that have come up with the strategy to defeat "Speed", could you please share with the rest of us how you did it?
Let me conclude by saying that I do respect and admire the players that use these speed decks, and I get along very well with these people as they are just as friendly as every other Redemption player I know.
slap em' you noob.
I stop speed by building a faster speed deck.
Sauce, you only beat me every time because we're playing speed deck against speed deck.
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 14, 2009, 08:13:19 PMSauce, you only beat me every time because we're playing speed deck against speed deck. My type 2 isn't speed, and you haven't beaten me in type 2 yet .11I'm refering to 2-player. You beat me more often than not in multi-player.22Except in Booster Draft.33You still have better booster draft decks though. I just win because Jason is nice enough to give me 4 free souls two games in a row.
we don't play plus, my type-2 decks suck. but that'll change!
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 15, 2009, 03:43:10 AMwe don't play plus, my type-2 decks suck. but that'll change!I hope so. I'd be disappointed if I drove clear to Austin to play against a "sucky" deck.
...I don't like Garden Tomb...all tournament decks looking the same to me..."What can you do against speed?", and I really didn't have a good answer for him...
I used to beat rawrlolsauce on a regular basis remember and guess what guys and gals I have renounced my speedy ways and my tournament deck is almost more defense than offense and it has beaten many a speed deck (21-1 yays)
you won't have the chance. Sauce beats me too fast
Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 15, 2009, 03:07:38 PMyou won't have the chance. Sauce beats me too fast But then Isabel can play Gabe first round and beat him so you can play Gabe !(Oh, wait. Are we still talking about type 2?)
As was mentioned above, if you want to defeat speed, playtest it alot and figure it out so then you will better understand its weaknesses and then expolit them.
idk if any one as told you this idea yet but, you could try a Abom deck.